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Recipe to Make your own Natural Jeweler’s Pickle

I am so excited to have my own tutorial again for Tutorial Thursday! A paucity of time and travels out of the area left me with link round ups three weeks in a row. Don’t get me wrong – I love scouting for fun tutorials and sharing them, but I really love creating my own. This week’s tutorial shows you how to make your own, all-natural jeweler’s pickle with very inexpensive ingredients.

DIY Natural Jeweler's Pickle

Jeweler’s pickle is neither an embalming fluid nor some strange moonshine – it’s what you use to get fire scale off soldered objects. If you work with metal and use heat, a pickle pot is essential. Basically, a pickle is simply an acidic solution that removes oxidation and flux from a piece of soldered metal. Commercial jewelry pickles are available, and many jewelers choose to use various pool chemicals as more cost-effective pickles.

When I started soldering back in January, pickeles sort of annoyed me. I realized that I needed a pickle pot, but I was loath to spend lots of money online to potentially harmful chemicals, there were no local jeweler’s pickle sources, and pool supplies weren’t really a viable option in the middle of winter. I figured there had to be a way to create a mildly acidic solution capable of removing some fire scale with things I could buy at the grocery store.

I was right.

Some trial and error later, here is my recipe for a DIY jeweler’s pickle that is way less toxic than the commercial options, eminantly affordable, and amazingly easy. It smells a little funny if you don’t keep the lid on, but hey. All you need is white vinegar, table salt, and, just to be sure, some hydrogen peroxide. All of these ingredients are dirt cheap and the worst thing that will happen from using it is that you might make your kitchen smell a little like a fish and chips stand for a bit. You won’t sear your lungs, burn your skin, or have to buy a new crock pot just for chemicals.

natural pickle pot ingredients

Because the pickle is acidic, you should only make it in glass or ceramic items. It will eat away at a metal pot, and putting it in metal can detract from its effectiveness. I wasn’t thinking clearly and first started using it in a metal pot – I could literally hear little pops and crackles as the pickle heated and it started working away at my pot! Luckily for me, it was a second hand thing from an old roommate, not one of my good pots. Please learn from my mistake and don’t damage anything of yours! The best thing to use is a crock pot, but you can also create a double boiler with a heatproof glass container, like a Pyrex measuring cup, to eat heat the pickle on the stove.

Additionally, make sure you only use copper or plastic utensils in the pickle pot. You could use wood, but wood will absorb the vinegar and make the spoon or tongs smell kind of funny! If you stir the pot with any other metal, or place nickel silver items in it for cleaning, a chemical reaction will essentially cause random bits of fire scale to electroplate themselves to the jewelry you are attempting to clean. Don’t worry if you make a mistake or have to clean nickel silver. Just stir in peroxide until until the fire scale re-removes itself from the items.

To create the pickle, simply pour about a cup of vinegar into your crock pot. You can mix in some water, too, if you want, but it just weakens the solution and makes it take longer to clean metal. Put the lid on the pot and put the heat up to medium or high. Heat is essential – a cold pickle works very poorly, if at all.


See the condensation? You know it’s heating up without sticking your hand in a bunch of vinegar!

You’ll be able to tell when the vinegar is getting warm because you’ll see condensation form on the underside of the lid. After the vinegar is warm, add in about a tablespoon of salt. You can add a little more, but don’t add less! In general, you want to have about a generous tablespoon per cup of vinegar. Stir until the salt is fully dissolved.


Once the salt is dissolved, you’re ready to add whatever needs cleaning!

See the dark fire scale?

See the dark fire scale?

Stir the pieces around a little, cover the pot, and let them sit for a minute or so. You should start to see the fire scale literally fall off. It’s not the world’s bests photo, but you can see the scale in the pot.


After letting them rest for a minute, fish your objects out with copper tongs or a nylon/plastic spoon. Scrub them lightly with a very soft bristle brass brush or a stiff bristle nylon brush. I just use a nail brush.


And there you have it! Bright and shiny metal items, free of fire scale for pennies on the dollar, when compared to commercially-available options.

cleaned copper jewelry

I love this pickle! It works as quickly as commercial pickles at a fraction of the price. The only thing you might need to buy online or from a specialty store is a pair of copper tongs. They’re pretty inexpensive on Amazon.

You can store it for later, if you’d like. You can pretty much use it until it gets cloudy and stops working – just store it with the lid on and reheat it when you need to use it. You don’t really need to keep it in the fridge since it consists of vinegar and salt. A word of caution, though – let it finish cooling with the lid off or the salt will form an amazingly powerful crust that makes it virtually impossible to remove the containers lid! And, of course, don’t store it in anything metal. Once again, if you do accidentally put a metal utensil in it or have to clean nickel silver, just add a generous pour of hydrogen peroxide to the mix. Adding peroxide makes what folks call a “super pickle.” I only do it when I have to (why waste ingredients?), but some people use it every time.

I hope you enjoyed this tutorial and found it helpful! What commercially available things do you enjoy making from scratch? I love hand making as much of my own products as possible and I enjoy the savings created by many homemade options – why do you choose to DIY things you could buy?



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  • Paige @ Little Nostalgia April 25, 2013, 09:30

    This is so interesting! I don’t work with a lot of raw metal myself (and I really like the darker tones anyway), but this is good to know if I ever decide to branch out.

    • Natashalh April 25, 2013, 10:03

      I was kind of nervous about metal for a while, but then I discovered I love it! I actually prefer to clean the fire scale and then patina items. That was I can control the darkening. It feels a little funny sometimes to clean something just to grunge it up, but hey.

  • Trina (Trina's Clay Creations) April 25, 2013, 10:00

    Oh wow, this is so cool, thank you for sharing!

    • Natashalh April 25, 2013, 10:02

      Thanks! I know not everyone works with metal, but I love sharing ways to DIY instead of buy!

      • Peter Buxton October 19, 2014, 00:10

        You are a legend, thank you, I didn’t want to spend like 50 pounds, which a lot of eBay-ers are trying to charge.
        It is incredibly annoying considering that it probably costs 2 quid to make.
        Anyway, thanks for your help

        • Natashalh October 19, 2014, 07:43

          Sure thing! That’s exactly why I figured out how to make my own – it costs so much to buy ready-made! I hope this is helpful and thanks for stoping in. =)

          • Tina March 30, 2015, 10:17

            What is the hydrogen peroxide for? You listed it but did not mention after.

          • Natashalh March 30, 2015, 10:54

            Maybe I need to change the post so the part about the peroxide is also in bold – you’re not the first commenter to miss where I talk about the peroxide! It makes what folks call a “super pickle” for extra difficult scale. It is also necessary to add it if you accidentally put a metal utensil that isn’t coper in your pickle pot or if you’re using “German silver” or nickel silver. The nickel makes the junk in the pickle stick to the items you’re trying to clean, but the peroxide gets it off again.

  • Rose April 25, 2013, 12:09

    Wow, I learned so much from this tutorial! Thanks for putting together such a detailed explanation of your technique.

    • Natashalh April 25, 2013, 12:35

      Sometimes I feel like I go a little overboard, but I find tutorials without details or photos to be really frustrating!

  • Tammy December 1, 2013, 18:10

    I recently started lampworking to create glass beads using a hot torch. I noticed some of my glass beads have tiny, unintended bubbles, which I think ruins the beads. Some people say the bubbles make the beads look unique, but I don’t like it.
    After some research I found that, basically, the bubbles are caused by the glass rods being dirty and need to be cleaned before using them. A lampworking website blogger suggests using a jewelers picking solution made with ‘a stable form of sulphuric acid,’ which I’m not too comfortable with — I wanted something more eco-friendly.
    Thank you for taking the time to find a natural pickling recipe. I’m going to try your formula to see if this makes a difference in my glass beads. I’ll send you a follow-up to let you know how things turned out.

    • Natashalh December 2, 2013, 08:38

      I have no idea if it will help with the beads, but it might. It would definitely cut through any sort of residual oils! I really want to get into lamp work beads, but I don’t have a kiln and I don’t know of one I could use to finish up the process. I really hope this works out for you!!

  • Kelly Hudson January 30, 2014, 06:19

    Now does this easy recipe work for not turning your skin green or black? I am making bullet casing necklace and earrings, i just need something that will prevent that from happening. Thanks for the help ahead of time.

    • Natashalh January 30, 2014, 08:36

      Unfortunately, that is a natural reaction many people have to copper. The recipe will remove any grime, but copper always has the potential to be reactive. What I recommend is sealing the casings with Renaissance Wax. It’s a museum-grade sealant that I use on my jewelry to protect the metal and the wearer’s skin!

  • Kelsey Albrecht-Carruthers March 9, 2014, 10:49

    This is great! I was looking for something like this for my Etsy Shop’s sterling silver rings, and it works amazingly! Thank you!!!

    • Natashalh March 9, 2014, 12:25

      Awesome! I’m so glad it works for you. I use it for my Etsy shop items, too. =)

  • maria July 3, 2014, 02:50

    this is fantastic- just a little confused- i make sterling silver jewelry and not sure what the peroxide is for?

    • Natashalh July 3, 2014, 07:54

      It’s only needed if you get other things in there contaminating the mixture. If you only use sterling and have the appropriate tongs, you won’t need it. If you add nickel silver, for example, to the pot, it will cause the detritus to basically electroplate to your other metals! Peroxide takes care of that.

  • Dani July 23, 2014, 07:11

    THANK YOU!!! This was so clear, and answered my questions, and just the right amount of detail.

  • Ralph Dratman December 6, 2014, 17:18

    I just used some of this pickle solution on a little steel sculpture I’m working on. I had welded it up with the low-cost flux-core welder from Harbor Freight (under $100 with a coupon). The steel sat in your mixture all night with the crock pot on low. After I took it out, rinsed the steel and let it dry out, there was some black powder left on the surface, but that came off very easily. The metal underneath was very bright and shiny! The one thing the pickle did not dissolve, was the stuck-on flux left over from the welding. I guess that stuff is pretty tenacious. The flux normally comes off easily with a wire brush, but I can’t reach that part of the sculpture with any of the brushes I have. Oh well, I just need to get a skinny wire brush.

    Anyway, I’m rambling. Thanks for the recipe!

    • Natashalh December 7, 2014, 08:42

      That’s awesome!

      I like soft brass bristle brushes for removing that tenacious gunk (like flux). I’m so glad this recipe worked for you!

  • Diane December 31, 2014, 05:38

    Thanks so much for the tutorial! I have one of those little crock pots that only turns on by plugging it in… no selection high, medium or low. Do you think this process would work in that?

    • Natashalh December 31, 2014, 10:41

      I used to use a really tiny one. As long as your mixture isn’t boiling it should be fine.

      • Diane December 31, 2014, 10:50

        Thanks so much!

  • Denise January 3, 2015, 13:30

    This is awesome. I just started using metal clay for the first time. Thank you so much Natasha!!! You are the best!!

    • Natashalh January 3, 2015, 17:10

      Metal clay seems so cool! I know someone who has a kiln, but I can only do small, torch fired pieces. So glad you found my post helpful and I hope you enjoy!

  • Martha January 16, 2015, 11:40

    I’m always glad to discover alternatives to industrially prepped pickles, so thanks for furthering the cause. I don’t mean to sound like a know-it-all, but I like when people tell me things that I may not have known, so here goes. I think what you are calling “fire scale” is actually just residual flux and surface oxides from using the torch on the metal. Actual fire scale is a much less friendly creature. It’s a purplish-blackish “bloom” of oxide that forms under the surface (usually of silver) when the metal is over-heated in the presence of oxygen, and is an absolute pain to try to remove. Can only be removed through a misery of filing and sanding, or other abrasive means. I hope this wasn’t too annoying, but like I said I like when people (often!) tell me what I don’t know.
    Best — Martha

    • Natashalh January 16, 2015, 12:09

      You’re right – I do kind of use the two terms interchangeably. I’ve experienced both plain-old junked on flux and true fire scale. It’s a lot less wearisome to type than “annoying dark junky stuff fouling up my piece,” though, so I stick with it. I hope that anyone who has concerns will notice you comment and get the full explanation! Thanks. =)

  • Jill LaPierre January 29, 2015, 08:34

    I have a question. You say that you also use peroxide, but I cannot see any reference to it in your recipe (perhaps I missed it). How much peroxide would you add, if at all. I’ve used the vinegar and sale alone and it does an okay job, but would like to see what the peroxide would add or not to the process, thanks

    • Natashalh January 29, 2015, 09:42

      Peroxide makes it what folks call a “super pickle.” It’s great for really hard to remove gunk and for when you accidentally get something with nickel in your pickle pot. I only add it if it’s needed, and I really just kind of pour a little in and see if it does the trick. If not, I add more. The biggest way to help your pickle is by making sure it’s warm. Even straight warm vinegar will get light corrosion off! I hope that’s helpful. =)

  • Kelly February 24, 2015, 10:09

    Hi there. I’ve been using this pickle recipe for a few months now (I love it!) and it’s always worked great…until last night. It was partly my bad, because I forgot to plug my mini crock pot in, so a few sterling silver rings were sitting in the cold solution for at least an hour before I noticed. But even once it heated up, it seemed like it was taking ages to get the fire scale off, and it almost seemed like it was getting worse. I left it in for a few hours and it just kept getting darker and a more brownish color. I tried adding hydrogen peroxide today and it was in the pot for about five minutes when I pulled it out and the WHOLE RING was this dull brown gray color and I can’t do anything to get it off! Anything you can do to help?

    • Natashalh February 24, 2015, 10:52

      Eek! Sorry to hear about your trouble!
      Have you been using the same batch the whole time (or even for a while)? It could be just used up. I’d try starting with a totally fresh batch of “super pickle” with the peroxide. Also, do you have a soft-bristle brass brush? Using one of those to scrub at a piece that’s fresh out of the pickle pot can help get that stubborn gunk off.

  • Melissa March 13, 2015, 13:16

    I’m completely new to this whole process and have a silly question. When I remove my jewelry from the vinegar/salt pickle, is it safe to touch with my bare hands? All these “pickle warnings” everywhere scare me, and I was NOT good at chemistry :-) I’m just trying to make sure it’s safe on my skin and should I then do I rinse the jewelry in water after…. or just go straight to the brushing…Thank you!

    • Natashalh March 13, 2015, 15:43

      With commercial pickles, you could hurt your hands (depending on how strong it is). The strongest ingredient in this pickle is vinegar (usually only 5% acid), which doesn’t irritate my hands in such- it just makes them smell funny! I wouldn’t reach down in there with my bare hand, but I don’t stress a little of it getting on me.

      Lots of people like to scrub their piece with blue Dawn, a soft brass brush, and running water, so if that’s your approach, you’re good to go. I usually place my pieces on a paper towel and pat them dry before I touch them with my bare hands, but that’s more because I don’t want to smell like vinegar than because of any real danger! With commercial pickles, you probably would want to completely avoid skin contact, just to be safe. =)

      • Melissa March 13, 2015, 16:05

        Thank you so much!

  • Leti April 14, 2015, 12:20

    Hi, I’m so glad I found this info. I’m still pretty new to this. My question is, how do you dispose of the pickle once it is used up? Are there any special precautions? Is it safe to put down the drain or pour outside or do we have to follow some other method? Thanks again for the info. This is great!

    • Natashalh April 14, 2015, 18:13

      Wellll, most cities have laws about dumping solutions containing copper into the water supply. If your pickle is green or blue, that means there’s copper in there and technically the legally correct thing to do is bottle it up and take it to a waste management facility. That having been said, some people pour it over kitty litter, allow the litter to clump up and become solid, and then toss it. Some people also use natural pickles to water their hydrangeas, for example, because the copper can help change the color of the blooms!

  • Nancy Barnhart April 27, 2015, 07:39

    I have collected a bunch of ‘squished pennies’ in our 15 yrs of traveling in our retirement and I want to clean them up – hoping for a shiny penny look again. So, I’m wondering if this recipe will work for what I want to do with my ‘charm bracelet’ (grin).?. The pennys are attached to a colored (anodized) copper wire byzantine chain I’ve made and I’m just a bit leary of using anything that might harm the color coating of the wire/chain portion. The copper wire is made by Parawire, a division of CMT metals back east.
    Thanks for any help along this line of cleaning copper… NancyB

    • Natashalh April 27, 2015, 07:47

      Hmmm. I don’t have any anodized copper on hand to test it out! Byzantine chain is quite a time investment, so I can understand why you wouldn’t want to risk it! Vinegar is generally okay for anodized aluminum, but you absolutely want to avoid abrasive cleaners because it will knock that pretty color right off the wire. The safest thing would just be to remove the pennies from the bracelet for cleaning and reattach them, if they aren’t attached in a way that’s too integral to the chain. Then I’d give them a quick coating of Renaissance Wax to keep them looking shinier for longer! This recipe can definitely get your pennies looking fancy again, especially since many of them are probably older ones that are actually made from mostly copper. If you do get them off the bracelet and they need any extra shine after the pickle, scrub them gently with a baking powder paste to really make them shine! When you first take them out of the pickle, they may have an almost too clean look, but this will fade pretty quickly so don’t worry that you’ve ruined them forever or anything.
      I hope that’s helpful!

  • Rob May 1, 2015, 15:29

    Thank you for sharing this! :)

  • Andrea June 3, 2015, 05:38

    This is awesome! Thank you so much for this recipe. I have some stones coming in the mail to day but I realized that I am out of pickle….again! I tried to just scrub off my firestain last night, but no luck. So I ended up sanding it off! I just couldn’t NOT make a ring. Glad I can go home and play without waiting until I can get to the bead shop this weekend. Can’t wait to see how it works. Thanks so much for sharing!

    • Natashalh June 4, 2015, 05:56

      Awesome! I hope this works well for you! It’s weird – without the salt vinegar can actually age copper, but add the salt and it becomes a cleaner! Do you have a soft bristle brass brush? It can really help get that stubborn scale off. With really bad pieces I’ve done pickle, scrub with brush & Joy soap, pickle again to get everything off.

      • Andrea June 4, 2015, 06:03

        It worked just fine! Sure did make my room smell though lol. But totally worth it. I’ve been through 4 packs of pickle and I’ve only been making rings for a few weeks. I have a giant crockpot though so everything evaporates super fast. I need to get the smaller crockpot. I have a soft bristle brass brush (what a mouthful!) so I scrubbed them with that. I ran out of baking soda though so after I oxidized them I tried to wash them in baking powder, guess it’s not a good substitute cause they keep turning black! I’ll have to grab some baking soda today!

        • Natashalh June 4, 2015, 06:08

          Yeah, baking soda is great for polishing, but baking powder is chemically a little different. I didn’t realize it would turn things black, though! Thanks for letting me know it worked for you. =) A good place to look for a super cheap crock pot is a thrift store. I’ve seen those little ‘lunch’ sized ones there for only a couple dollars!

          • Andrea June 4, 2015, 06:15

            Oh good idea! Gotta love a good thrift store. Sorry I wasn’t very clear in my earlier response, they were turning black because I put them in a patina and I was told to stop the oxidization process you have to put them in baking soda, but since I was out I put them in baking powder. So I guess the difference in the chemicals meant that the powder didn’t stop the oxidation process so it just keeps turning/oxidizing even after I polish it! Gotta learn from experience though!

          • Natashalh June 4, 2015, 17:13

            Oooooh. Yes. Baking soda does neutralize the patina if you’re doing liver of sulfur. Baking powder wouldn’t work!

  • Alejandra July 8, 2015, 07:47

    my vinegar pickle is turning all of my silver black! is this normal? the first time I made it it turned white like when I used the already made chemical pickle… My copper is clean but the silver keeps turning black :( any advise? is the third time I change it too, I thought I had accidentally put in some steel tweezers or something :/

    • Natashalh July 13, 2015, 05:34

      Do you have salt in there? Just vinegar will patina metal. You may also want to scrub your items gently with a little soapy water after removing them from the pickle.

  • Karen July 15, 2015, 05:12

    Is this safe to use on a diamond set in platinum? I’m trying to remove some rust on my diamond from my well water. Thanks.

    • Natashalh July 15, 2015, 14:55

      I am sorry, but I actually have no idea! I don’t own any diamonds. Vinegar dissolves pearls, but I don’t think it would damage a diamond. I also don’t know that it would remove that annoying well water deposit, either. If I were you, I would call a jeweler and ask for advice cleaning that iron deposit off the diamond. I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful, but thank you for stopping by!

  • Wendy August 7, 2015, 19:44

    Thank you for sharing!
    I have a question. I am looking into making fork bracelets. I bought some nickel silver and silver plated forks. I will need to heat them up to mould them into place. Will I get fire scale from heating it? Or do you only need to pickle something when it has been soldered?

    • Natashalh August 8, 2015, 06:54

      It’s going to depend. How are you heating them? If it’s with a torch, they’re probably going to develop fire scale. I would clean the silver ones first and separately, then clean the nickel silver with added peroxide, as needed. Thanks for stopping by!

  • Debra August 11, 2015, 00:56

    Best pickle ever!! So glad I found this page & recipe, thank you!!

    • Natashalh August 11, 2015, 05:55

      Yay! I’m so glad and thank you for leaving a comment. =)

  • Sarah Walker August 12, 2015, 07:07

    Thanks so much for the tutorial. I have been using this pickle for the last few months and it works great for just straight Sterling, using plastic or wood tongs. BUT, you cannot use copper tongs with Sterling Silver. It leaves that pink residue that is very, very difficult to remove. I often solder Copper and Sterling together. I have learned the hard way that you cannot use this pickle with Sterling and Copper. I have spent a ridiculous amount of time, re-sanding pieces to remove the pink that is left on my Sterling. I would suggest that you mention in the tutorial that if you are using Sterling, you cannot use copper tongs, or Sterling and Copper together in this pickle. It might save someone like me hours of time.

    Thanks again for the tutorial. I am now using the vinegar and salt pickle for just my straight Sterling pieces, with plastic tongs, NO COPPER TONGS! I have a separate pickle pot, using an acid based solution for my Copper and Sterling pieces.

    • Natashalh August 12, 2015, 07:42

      Thanks for stopping by!

      I’m actually really surprised that copper tongs have been giving you trouble with sterling because, if they’re pure coper and nothing else has contaminated the pot, it really shouldn’t do that. But weird things can happen! Have you tried adding peroxide to your pot? That helps when there’s been a contamination. Also, you can use a separate, small container. Fill it with about 1/2 hydrogen peroxide and 1/2 warm pickle. Drop the ‘pink’ items down in there and it should make clean up way, way easier.

      Thanks for stopping by and I’m glad my recipe is helpful/sorry you’ve wasted some time because of it.

  • steffi August 21, 2015, 19:51

    Hi thanks for this tip! I just used it and it seems to work well, except that a part of my metal turned blue? I didn’t have enough vinegar so it wasn’t fully submerged and it made a line across the metal. But that’s fine since I was just trying it out.

    If I were engraving my brass sheets, would you recommend to solder whatever’s needed, pickle & scrub, sand off scratches, shape the metal, then engrave (then polish again)?


    • Natashalh August 22, 2015, 07:04

      I am not surprised part of it turned blue! The weird thing is that warm vinegar and salt is a pickle, but either one can actually be used to patina the metal and give it a nice, weathered blue appearance. If you ever want to intentionally make your entire piece look like that, put a bunch of salt and vinegar potato chips in the bottom of a container, then a paper towel, your piece, then the container’s lid. Super inexpensive and easy way to give pieces a weather, nautical feel! To avoid this when you’re trying to clean your metal, just make sure the whole thing is submerged.
      I think your steps sound great! That’s exactly the order I’d do them in. =)

  • Linda August 29, 2015, 06:03

    This is how my grandmother cleaned her copper objects since forever. She used a cold vinegar – salt solution – I do, too and it works just fine.

    • Natashalh August 30, 2015, 06:39

      That’s great! I use it cold sometimes, too, but a bit of heat really helps the stubborn stuff that doesn’t want to come off. But for occasions when it works without heating – awesome! Thanks for stopping by. =)

  • Melody September 12, 2015, 15:41

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!

  • Amy September 15, 2015, 03:53

    This is absolutely amazing! I’ve worked with aluminum and brass for my jewelry, but I’m stepping up my game and JUST started with silver yesterday. Hopefully I’ll have some great pieces to show soon & get things back up in my etsy shop. Thank you so very much! 😀

    • Natashalh September 15, 2015, 06:51

      That’s really exciting! I hope the pickle and your new items to well for you. =)

  • Ashley September 29, 2015, 21:29

    I am new to pickling anything. I have pendants that I handmade using the Tiffany method. So they have semiprecious stones. Would this or just vinegar or just peroxide help with this Black gunk? Or even your whole method?

    • Natashalh October 1, 2015, 06:07

      Thanks for stopping by!

      I’ve actually never used that method, even though I know it produces some pretty nice results. =) As long as there aren’t pearls involved, which dissolve in vinegar, I’d at least give it a try. Vinegar and peroxide are inexpensive and the worst it could do it not work! I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful, I just don’t have personal experience with your exact situation.

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